Some observations:
In ways heretofore unheard of, social media have emboldened their users to reveal (and to revel in) their political loyalties. One’s party affiliation used to be a well-guarded secret, a subject of mystery and speculation. It was impolite — and impolitic — to broadcast one’s electoral sympathies, not so much for fear of attack or ridicule but out of deference to
the sensibilities of one’s fellows; it was considered bad form to create awkwardness and discomfort in civil discourse, especially around the unseemly topic of partisan politics. Such propriety now seems quaint, given that political debate in America is practiced as blood sport.
Facebook, Twitter, and other media outlets make it easy to out oneself as a Glenn Beck “fan” or as one who “likes” Barack Obama. This lets our “friends” know where our allegiances lie without having to break the news in person. (Kind of like the letter that arrives in the mail: “By the way, I’m gay”). Our personal politics are not so much learned or discovered over time as they are announced (boldy, proudly, unequivocally) once and for all.
Most of us watch way too much TV news. And the loudest advocates for the most strident views seem to be the most avid, obssessive TV-watchers. And cable news shows have done incalculable harm to our ability to wrestle with complex truth; to abide ambiguity; to grapple with nuance and
subtlety; to acknowledge our own gullibility; to regard dissenting viewpoints charitably; and to see the humanity of the people we’re asked to revile. This is as true of MSNBC as it is of Fox News.
In the digital age, as in most eras of human history, Christians have approved and pursued the status quo. That is, they have assumed the culture’s categories without question; they have surrenderred with little fanfare (with little awareness?) the gospel’s radical politics to the aims and agenda of the state; they have chased the American Dream and given up on the basaleia of God; they have not only conceded the inevitability of empire, war, capitalism — they have cloaked all three in pious language and have, in the process, taken God’s name in vain. They have defined themselves primarily as Americans or patriots or democrats or republicans, and only secondarily as followers of a first-century Jewish revolutionary. And in this polarized age of Fox News and MSNBC, they have allowed the (American) flag rather than the (baptismal) font to determine their friendships and affiliations.
Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert have provided much-needed comic relief for the folly of both liberals and conservatives, of both the saved and the skeptics. For all of their faux rivalry (dueling rallies in Washington next month), they are decidedly, strategically on the same team, and some of the investigative work and op-ed commentary on both shows has been Pulitzer-worthy. Conservatives generally distrust Stewart and Colbert; liberals often squirm under their scrutiny. At their best, Stewart and Colbert expose the ridiculousness of all of us, Stewart and Colbert included.
But both die-hard Tea Partiers and the Colbert Nation faithful have ceded politics to the politicos — they have allowed the terms of the debate to be set by Washington, the military, and the media. This is so foundational a truth in both liberal and conservative circles that it goes unnamed and unrecognized. Yet would-be followers of a crucified Messiah reject the political presuppositions of liberal social orders and strive to practice instead the politics of Jesus — a politics that does not serve something called “America” nor bless the violence done in its name. This politics, inaugurated at Jesus’ baptism and completed in the cross, makes possible a new way of being human, of countering the aims and claims of the culture of death. The politics of Jesus has a strange platform: the last shall be first; blessed are the poor; give away all your stuff; love the unlovable; do good to those who hate you.
This is not the kind of politics that wins political office. It’s not even the kind of politics that one can readily “like” or cheerily be a “fan” of. But it is, for those who seek to practice it, the way that leads to life.
September 21, 2010 at 8:24 pm
Wow, DDM, you’ve done it again–you have said eloquently what I have been trying to say in halting fits and starts. I usually want my Mom to read your posts but I don’t put them under her nose for fear she’ll feel she can reciprocate by demanding that I watch Glenn Beck. I may have to show her this one, though.
September 21, 2010 at 9:11 pm
So I’ll see you at Stewart’s rally?
September 21, 2010 at 10:18 pm
Thanks, Rebekah — it’s especially hard to have these conversations with family members.
cegr76: Probably won’t make the rally but I’ll be very interested in how they pull it off.
September 24, 2010 at 1:16 pm
Stewart has, at least on occasion, had the courage and fairness to skewer liberals; and Colbert does a hilariously great job of making fun of conservatives. Both are good for us, I think, lest we take ourselves (politically-speaking) too seriously. Better for us to take our faith in Jesus and our walk with Him most seriously. Even when ‘our man’ (or woman) is not in the seat of worldly power, we can take comfort that the King of Kings is on heaven’s throne, and hopefully, on the throne of our hearts as well.
September 27, 2010 at 9:16 am
I was dishearted to learn that the UMC is choosing to align itself with communists/ maxists & Socialists who HATE GOD and aligning itself with those who want a Global Goverment for their own POWER hungry purposes. Our rights come from GOD – not government and although I have been an active member and my father was a UMC minister-he would be appalled at the church actually promoting and supporting a rally that is NOT focused on GOD, but on a specific political party that supports the death of the innocent and perverts the gospel to allow their total control over free people. I am ashamed that the UMC is not only organizing and supporting this rally – but that they are moving away from the freedom that God gives us-in favor of government control. I pray that you will fail in your social justice agenda. We give and serve because Jesus instructed us to serve and give – NOT because the government makes us. May GOD and His freedoms win over the Tryanny that you are supporting. Nothing good happens when men/women loose their freedoms-remember the trillons/Millions killed by Socialists/Maxists and Communists. Just ask the Cubans, Cambodians, Russians, and Christians, Jews and Gypsies killed in the name of a government’s ‘equality’. Me and my family will always support freedom because ALL rights come from GOD -not the Government.
September 27, 2010 at 10:41 pm
A voice I agree with.
September 28, 2010 at 10:49 am
I wholeheartedly agree with this post. I believe the UMC are allowing superficial feelings guide them and not truly understanding the meaning of His word. If there is calculated intent behind this travesty, there is no room in this church for my family.
September 28, 2010 at 2:27 pm
amen!
September 27, 2010 at 9:49 am
Certainly Jesus taught us to give to the poor, the helpless and the disadvantaged. But He never suggested that the government should pass legislation to force people to be charitable. His was a gospel of compassion and love, not government mandates.
Liberals want to lay a guilt trip on conservatives, most of whom believe charity begins at home, not in Washington. Class warfare is the issue here. Liberals want to take away from the “rich” and give to the “poor”. This destroys our incentives to succeed, our desire to be charitable, and worst of all, it promotes an “entitlement” mentality among those who don’t want to work for their livelihood.
Liberals have forgotten that the “rich” create many jobs for the “poor”, either directly – by hiring in the private sector, or indirectly – by purchasing more goods and services, which creates demand and encourages new job growth. The liberals just “don’t get it” about how our system of free enterprise works.
September 27, 2010 at 8:48 pm
and remember…..when the Bible speaks of taking care of the poor it never ever indicates government mandates. Instead it tells the farmers to leave anything that falls to the ground when harvesting and that portion of food belongs to the poor. It also instructs the poor that THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE for getting the remnants of food for themselves! We are to give and to help the poor.It is the churches responsiblity not the government
September 28, 2010 at 2:29 pm
again, amen, couldn’t agree more
September 27, 2010 at 10:15 am
I am a Christian. I know this puts specific manner-isms of behavior on how I conduct myself. Persnonally, I feel the leadership and the process of our government are absolutely the last place for “comic relief”. The rare occasions I have listened to or seen the Colbert show or Mr. Stewart I have always felt the slap of mockery and the absolute abscense of LOVE- it is obvious. I love this country. I have served under arms for this country and the freedoms we are to hold dear be preserved. I do agree those who abuse the powers given to them by the electorate should be openly exposed and given the opportunity to apologize, be responsible for their actions and the ramifications of those actions.Once the accusations of a “reporter” of a comic show or a bonified news source puts the deed out they are just as responsible to share the truth and nothing but that. This is what I believe not bearing a false witness requires of us all. I have absolutely have no respect for those not in pursuit of the truth. We as Americans have been blessed with the gift of being able to exist here and are charged with the care and the preservation of what we have been given. I believe Christ is loving and caring and sometimes puts us in a tough place to strengthen us. Accepting the twists of truths and the slant perveyed by comic relief may help push us in strengthening but, I pose a question- What about those who are lost and don’t know him and do not have a basis to balance truth form the bunk?
September 27, 2010 at 10:24 am
My heart broke when I saw that the United Methodist church is one of the co-sponsers of the rally on 10/2/10. This rally is endorsed by the Communist Party of USA, SEIU, and the the Democratic Socialist of America. Is this not getting involved in politics as discussed in this article? Are communists and socialists concerned about furthering the gospel of Jesus Christ, or are they more interested in stateism? The more control the government gets, the more rights we lose including the right to worship as we choose. Is this not why our ancestors left England 100′s of years ago. As a Christian it is MY responsibility to feed the poor and help the widows. It is NOT
September 27, 2010 at 10:25 am
SORRY PRESSED ENTER
It is NOT the responsibility of the government. Do you feel charitable on April 15? Does the government of today truly reflect your values?
September 28, 2010 at 11:30 am
My heart is breaking indeed… Revelation 3:2 “Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die,”
I will stay and fight.. and cry out for prayer from fellow believers…
September 27, 2010 at 10:58 am
I find nothing offensive in your observations. Please share them with Rev. Amy Stapleton. I am very concerned about the United Methodist Church sponsoring the “One Nation Working Together” rally.
September 27, 2010 at 11:16 am
This will initiate my resignation from the Methodist Church. I have been a member for over 30 years raising my children there. You have forgotten about Christ and spend you time on Social Justice aligning yourself with just about popular position of the day. You do this under the guise of being open. You stand for nothing.
September 27, 2010 at 11:51 am
I am so saddened to hear that you are joining together with the MARXISTs and SOCIALIST groups including SEIU, the Democratic Socialists of America, Communist Party USA, and OBAMAs group Organizing For America on 10-2-10.
This is a blatently POLITICAL event and yet your article above says we need to get beyond politics? Our great Nation is falling apart and you are praising Jon Stewart? Are you kidding me? These very far left groups are for partial birth abortions and have other anti-christian views.
Our rights come from GOD! They do not come from a socialist/commie government that wants to spread the “wealth” around! You had better learn your history as I have done this year. I am sick as to what to do, to stay with my church or leave.
Megan
September 28, 2010 at 2:33 pm
I feel the same way. I feel so disheartened and now really confused about where my church home should be after a lifetime as a Methodist.
September 27, 2010 at 1:28 pm
I don’t know that the UMC and/or any of its agencies are official supporters of the 10/2 March, but it should surprise no informed UM if it is the case. For decades denominational leadership has propagated a kind of ‘Christian Progressive Orthodoxy’, putting forth as ‘gospel’ truth the kind of things upon which thinking Christians can and do disagree, i.e. the scope and role of government. This has rendered the UMC hyper-political and always in a Leftist direction. I hope that UM’s who are as outraged by this state of affairs as I am do not ‘resign’ but instead stay work for change.
September 27, 2010 at 1:56 pm
At the risk of saying more here that will only be misunderstood and mischaracterized (some of these comments reveal a complete misreading of my post and a troubling lack of Christian charity), the rallies I allude to in my post take place on October 30. I don’t even know what you’re referring to by mentioning a rally on 10/2. Read carefully, friends, and choose your words even more carefully.
September 27, 2010 at 9:44 pm
I think you will have to highlight the politics of Jesus paragraph. You have great insight if folks will slow down and think about what you are saying. I appreciate your blog.
September 28, 2010 at 11:55 am
Debra, please tell me how we are misunderstanding and mischaracterizing the following:
“they have not only conceded the inevitability of empire, war, capitalism — they have cloaked all three in pious language and have, in the process, taken God’s name in vain.”
September 27, 2010 at 2:10 pm
This is unbelievable. The fact that the UMC as an origination would support what will be a rally to spew hatred and spread fear about the Republican party and the Tea Party has caused me to seriously consider leaving the UMC. I will ask my church if there is a way to make sure that none of my tithe goes to the greater UMC organization. If they can’t assure me of that I will sadly have to find a new church home. No one has a right to spend my money for a political point of view I don’t agree with.
September 27, 2010 at 2:19 pm
The rally in question is discussed in this article.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/27/us/politics/27rally.html?_r=1&hp
I am sure I am not the only concerned UMC member to see the United Methodist Church supporting this Organizing for America rally, when it is also being supported by: “Among the other groups endorsing the rally are the NAACP, the American Federation of Teachers, Al Sharpton’s National Action Network, the SEIU, Jim Wallis’s Sojourners, the AFL-CIO, Communist Party USA, and the Democratic Socialists of America.” (quote taken from http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obamas-ofa-churches-join-democratic-socialists-for-saturday-march-in-washington/)
I came to the UMC.org website for clarity, and saw your blog on the homepage.
September 28, 2010 at 9:54 am
that is also the track I followed. NYT has posted a clarifying statement from someone about Rev. Amy Stapleton’s comments.
September 27, 2010 at 2:58 pm
Read today’s article from the NY Times by Stepehn Greenhouse and you will be up to date on the cosponsoring of the Rally on 10/02/10. It is listed UMC. They are sponsoring a liberal coaltion rally. Are you kidding me? Whose money is being used ?Our family has been a member of the UMC for over 50 years. It is time to go elsewhere.
September 27, 2010 at 3:29 pm
Note this clarification from Greenhouse’s NY Times article:
“An article on Monday about a coalition of liberal groups planning a rally in Washington on Saturday, using information provided by a high-level minister for the United Methodist Church, referred incorrectly to the church’s role in the event. A board within the United Methodist Church has endorsed the principles of the rally, but the overall church has not endorsed the rally. Also, after the article was published, the church’s director of communications said that the minister, the Rev. Amy Stapleton, was not speaking on behalf of the church.”
September 27, 2010 at 4:41 pm
Jerry Rectenwald posted that the church only agrees with the principles of the rally and not the rally itself and that Rev. Amy Stapleton does not speak for the church.
Not good enough.
I was born a UM and my young family are faithful UM members. But we are very dismayed to see our beloved church align itself with anti-Israel, communistic/socialistic principles and groups.
If the UM church wants to keep us as members then it needs to come out strong and issue a statement that it does not endorse the rally. To not do so only implies that the church does indeed endorse it.
Our family is on the brink of leaving the UM church for one that teaches the love of generosity of Jesus, not government.
So how about it UM leadership? Is our church an anti-Semitic home for communists and socialists? My family just wants a truthful answer. If yes, then we’ll quietly leave your membership. If no, then you need so state it publicly.
September 27, 2010 at 9:36 pm
I love your comment. Please keep us informed about any future statements from the church in regards to this issue. I am so tired of political correctness. It is ruining our country
September 27, 2010 at 5:57 pm
I was born a UM and my family and I have been going to the same UM church for 35 years. (But that can change) I am angry and disapprove that the leadership of UM can determine to make that decision to endorse the rally on 10/02/10 or 10/30/10 without the consent of the people, but I guess our church leadership is taking its’ cue from the government. They don’t listen either and think they know what’s best for us. Whatever happen to the listening to what the people think before they endorse the progressive adgenda.
September 27, 2010 at 6:01 pm
I found your article amusing, as it is painfully obvious that you know oh, so little about the principles our nation was founded on, nor do you have a clue as to what the Tea Party stands for. As a life-long Methodist (48 years), I regard your article as the confirmation I needed to make a final break with this increasingly socialist/progressive organization. In that sense, you were used by the Holy Spirit. Didn’t know He was still around the UMC!
September 27, 2010 at 9:14 pm
Frankly, your sacharine essay demonstrates you are a useful idiot and a coward. You are an appeaser. Your words are pretty like a whited sepulchre, but inside you are full of dead men’s bones. I grew up in the UMC and witnessed the progressive (in every sense) departure from the precepts of Faith and the church’s descent into championing “social” causes. Even in the mid-sixties the message from the UMC pulpit was psychology and sociology… not Christ. Your website itself demonstrates you are tracking with the world and not with God. Haven’t you heard that “friendship with the world is enmity with God?” You Fools. You excuse sin, and you excuse yourself. You accept every abominable perversion immaginable, offering a false salvation just to increase your treasury. You are a club of desperados thinking that you can by your own “good” works save yourselves. You hold the Truth in unrighteousness. Not only are you deceived, but you deceive your flock. You have elevated “social justice” above “justice.” You are a dog in the manger. You neither eat nor allow the cattle to eat. May God give your congregations eyes to see and ears to hear. May they have the courage to do what the scriptures admonish them to do… to leave your ranks because of your false doctrines.
“Well did Isaiah prophesy of you…” Indeed. You draw neigh unto God with your pretty lying lips, but in your heart you are far from Him.
September 27, 2010 at 9:31 pm
I am simply amazed at the political correctness of this op-ed. Since when is it considered to be impolite or awkward to stand up for what you believe in? Since when is it appropriate for comedians to be the standard instead of entertainment when it comes to the serious issues facing our country? Since when is seeking information, and most importantly THE TRUTH considered watching too much cable news? The tea party is a formible force in this country, comprised of NORMAL MAINSTEAM AMERICANS who are simply fed up with the political games, corruption and direction of our country. We are to always look to God and not politicans however our apathy and indifference has led us down a dangerous path. Looking to God without becoming actively involved in the political process is called lazyness! The Bible gives us insight into proper roles of government and how to help the poor. It isn’t worried about political correctness in doing so. I am not ashamed of my faith in Christ but I am also not ashamed of my political beliefs. Just for the record, I believe both parties have let us down. And both parties are responsible for the mess we are in. But putting a neutral smiley face on the issues doesn’t cut it. We have to stand for something or we will fall for anything. Its time to stand up for our beliefs, for our Constitution and for our faith,the hand of God and the miracles that formed our country!
September 27, 2010 at 10:38 pm
I decided to look up the Rev. Amy Stapleton this evening to see what she is about. I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt.
These are her quotes from the http://www.gcorr.org website which is part of the UMC:
My faith leads me to understand how my privilege contributes to the oppression of others. My work is to hold myself and others accountable; to actively dismantle the systems of oppression that rob people of their full humanity as children of God.
- and -
I see GCORR’s work as not just ending racism and white privilege but also addressing the systemic and cultural barriers of racial/ethnic oppression that exist within the church and society.
So basically, because I’m white, I am automatically privileged? I guess what comfort my family enjoys is due to our “whiteness” rather than the fact that my husband and I worked and continue to work very hard for everything we have? Should I just start apologizing for everything we have earned and train my children to do the same?
But if you think she is an anomaly in the UM church, think again. At the Beck/Breitbart event in Chicago on Sept 18, Rev. C.J. Hawking is billed as the main organizer of a protest against this event. She is the local Director of IWJ in Chicago which is a huge socialist group.
Also at the counter rally was Rev. Dr. Eugene Winkler. Another UM guy. He sued the city of Chicago and the DoD over the boy scouts partly because he is OPPOSED to the scouts making a pledge that acknowledges God.
At this counter rally, the protesters chanted “stop the hate” and yet they spit on Breitbart and called him gay. Do the above UM ministers believe this is loving speech?
Beck exhorts his audience to faithfully attend church, tithe the full 10% and to pray. What about this message bothers the above ministers?
These three ministers are an affront to the UMC. They need to be fired immediately.
And which systems, exactly, are oppressing people? From her comments it is the church itself!
September 28, 2010 at 11:25 am
Julie, thank you so much for posting. I am just so sick right now about all I have learned about my church’s philosophy. The “oppressed” statement makes me think of what we have learned about black liberation theology.
September 27, 2010 at 11:10 pm
I think I can safely say that there are many that do not support the liberal agenda of some in the hierarchy of our church. The Methodist church has taken the position that Social Justice was part of Christ’s teachings. We are seeing more and more liberal bias showing up in Methodist publications and in carefully construed messages from some pastors in the name of social justice. Don’t get me wrong, we as a church do a lot of good while doing God’s work here in His world…
However we as Conservative members of the UMC need to make our voices heard over the social justice liberals that are pushing their agenda not only in our church but in all the mainline protestant churches today. We as Christ’s Church here on earth need to keep our nose out of politics and get back to the business of preaching His Gospel and saving the souls of those in our midst. I pray that God breaths wisdom and righteousness into those distracting our church from the values and principles with which we were founded. Help those in need, welcome all seeking the Lord and ask for God to bless those that have strayed from His purpose to that of man and earthly things.
September 28, 2010 at 7:43 am
Check out this link for a bit more clarification of the support for the rally.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/does-the-united-methodist-church-really-support-saturdays-one-nation-march/
September 28, 2010 at 7:48 am
After some thought, I’d like to modify my position on Stewart and Colbert (post #4, 9/24). While I am a fan of political satire, I think they are crossing a line with actually staging mock rallies. There is something akin to sacred about assembling in DC for a cause. I would feel more comfortable if they held the rallies elsewhere; or just fabricated the whole thing for TV broadcast. I know there are some, who strongly disagree with Glenn Beck’s politics, who were offended by his rally (held on the anniversary of and at the location of MLK’s famous ‘I Have a Dream’ speech). But at least he was sincere. While Colbert and Stewart indeed have good insights, the bottom line in comedy is getting laughs. While the analogy is not perfect, consider this: a fake rally in Washington is like having a fake worship service in an actual sanctuary for the purposes of mocking worship. A quick review of Andy Kaufman’s career will remind us that comedians can go too far for a laugh.
September 28, 2010 at 7:52 am
This passage was discussed when a group of us at church, who have differing political and economic views, struggled with how to live in community. From Ephesians Chapter 4:
Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.
September 28, 2010 at 10:00 am
I didn’t leave the Methodist Church… The Methodist Church left me.
The Methodist church has over time taken political positions that are contrary to mine. I don’t find that offensive by itself, but I am very concerned about a Christian Organization that uses deception and slight of hand to take the “moral high ground.”
Do you think that’s a bold statement? It is. I will SAY what I beleive, but you have to really dig to understand what the Methodist church stands for in politics, social views, economics, etc. I encourage you to read for yourself the covenants and faith statements of your church, if you don’t know what they are.
What are the views of the UMC on gun control? Illegal immigration? Socialized Medicine? War and peace? Where do they “stand,” when they are using YOUR money?
I am pleased and applaud the UMC on their quick response of disaster relief, their compassion of the oppressed, and their goals of ethnic diversity and justice, yet it seems that the leadership of the Church has convinced themselves that they have the final, righteous views, without plainly expressing what they are.
Please… do your own research. If you are in agreement with the views of the Church, you should stay and support them financially. If you are not in agreement, you owe it to yourself AND the Methodist church to either try to change the system, or leave the system.
September 28, 2010 at 12:50 pm
I just emailed my pastor about this issue. If he agrres with this, we will leave the church! I cannot allow myself and my family to be part of this type of propaganda. I am deeply saddened today as my family loves the church we attend. I simply cannot accept the fact that this is tolerated in the church.
September 28, 2010 at 3:46 pm
The so-called clarification only further muddies the water. The GBCS is very much an official body within the UMC. Period. A small portion of every tithe dollar given to your local church goes to support the GBCS. Remember that the next time the offering plate is passed around.
September 28, 2010 at 3:47 pm
Sorry, I should have said the GBCS is an official BOARD within the church, not body.
September 28, 2010 at 3:59 pm
But they still provided no funding or sponsorship. They endorsed the principles. That’s it.
September 28, 2010 at 4:40 pm
Gary,
This march is a symptom of a much larger issue. Anybody who has visited the GBCS site knows the GBCS throw support behind a lot of extremist left-wing agendas. The fact they support the goals and aims of this march says it all.
September 28, 2010 at 4:40 pm
It is not true that most of us watch way too much TV news. Most of us watch way too much slanted liberal TV news. I used to, for many years on CBS, NBC, and CNN. Then I listened to the political speeches and events shown live and in its entirety on C-Span. At night I listened to the reporters that covered these speeches and events and saw how twisted and liberal slanted the reporting was. It was eye-opening with lies and lies night after night on mainstream news! Then Fox News came along. What a breath of fresh-air of truth and balance! Before Glenn Beck came along I was already questioning what I was hearing on TV news. I bought many books to read and looked up information for myself. I listened to both sides when they were presented. I was a Tea-Partier before the Tea Party was formed. Most of the Tea Party affiliated people are much like me and are very informed and pay attention to what both sides are saying and claiming. When Obama’s socialist policies were presented and quickly voted on we all woke up and took notice. We all looked for information and answers. We all started to educate ourselves even more. Truth and information are what we seek. We saw what both the Republicans and Democrats have been doing for many years and we have been asleep. But not any more.
It is not true that Tea Partiers have ceded politics to the politicos. We are very well read and study our history and read about the founders of this country. We study the principles of freedom that God has blessed this country with. We respect others of different faiths that have a foundation of peace, freedom, and liberty. We are educated and have the ability to wrestle with complex truths.
You are mistaken if you think we need a doctorate or need to have graduated from an Ivy League school for true understanding of what is going on in Washington. You are mistaken when you think so low of us. Your elitist attitude comes over very well and very clear.
You are mistaken when you think two acidic and sophomoric clowns are worthy of Pulitzer prizes. Both Stewart and Colbert are only carnival side-shows that have followers with side-show mentalities that deem absurdity, crudeness, and vulgarity as entertainment.
There is no truth in the modern age belief of Imperialism of the United States. The wars we have fought in the last hundred years have been not for conquest but to take up the cause of freedom. This country has fought the good fight and millions around the world are free because of this God blessed nation and people of the United States. We have fought and given our blood and treasure so our children and those in other nations would not be enslaved. We give and offer freedom from tyranny and murderous despots to the entire world. This is love. Love of others, love of our fellow man to be free as we are free even to the detriment of our own lives and property.
Millions stream to our shores for what God has blessed us with. They come here and prosper because Capitalism and the Constitution offer the mechanism that provides freedom to retain the fruits of your labor. Faith, love, charity, and goodness are what we have been blessed with to give to others that cannot do for themselves.
Hand-outs to those that can do and are able to do for themselves is enslaving them to live a parasitic lifestyle. Forced re-distribution of people’s property by governments has always failed and failed miserably. A Socialist and Communistic system will always end with an eventual collapse. We don’t need elites to govern this country. We need average citizens to serve and serve one term in our government and then go back home to their regular life. No perks, no lifetime entitlements, no lifetime political power. We need to rid ourselves of the word re-election.
September 28, 2010 at 4:48 pm
To put it another way, I would never give money to organizations with anti-war, anti-Israel, pro-abortion or anti-gun agendas. But the GBCS support all of those issues (as has been stated by many others in this thread). If I put a tithe in the offering plate, part of my money goes to support the GBCS advocating for those causes. Even if it is only “a few cents on the dollar” it’s still way too much money, especially if one faithfully tithes over the year.
September 28, 2010 at 5:12 pm
True, that, Donnie… “a few cents on the dollar” is basically endorsing a “little” abortion, or endorsing “just a little” gun control.
Principles are principles, aren’t they? If we or the church tries to justify or excuse actions on the basis of “just a little bit,” would that not be the same as me trying to justify “just a little” tax fraud, or “just a little” adultery?
September 28, 2010 at 6:57 pm
Well, I’m from the other side of the pond and I have no idea who Stewart and Colbert are. However, I know a well-balanced, thoughtful and theologically sound article when I read one and Debra, this is one of those. Well done!
I haven’t read all the comments but a selection of them, and all I can say is that I’m so glad there are very few people like Roy Howell in the UK.
Keep writing, Debra, so the rest of the world realises that not all Americans are unfeeling and bigoted.
September 28, 2010 at 8:30 pm
Very disappointing our friend oversees has resorted to calling those in our nation names. Especially given your own countries imperialistic past. Alas, you will never understand, but we will continue to help you when needed.
September 28, 2010 at 11:27 pm
Agreed, Mike. It’s a cheap shot of Kath to play the race card, as well. Typically such words are thrown about when their arguments lack merit.
September 29, 2010 at 5:30 pm
I think the “problem” here is pretty well summed up by Chuckie – “the church left ME.” The church has and never will be about ME or YOU, it’s about God. Far too many Protestants have been fed that ME garbage for far to long and it’s about time people like Debra Murphy started speaking the truth. Keep it up Debra!!
September 29, 2010 at 8:57 pm
You are correct, it is not about me, or you, or any Earthly being. If you believe Christs’ teachings are about people being dependent, or subservient to you or other humans, we are on the right track. You should be happy. I myself believe we are given gifts from The Creator. With those gifts, we, each and individually, are responsible to do with them as He would desire. To sit back sit back and depend on another mere mortal to provide for us and waste the gifts we have been given is a sin.
Any government is made up of flawed individuals. As much as I approve of the design of our government, it is still flawed as a result of those making it up are human. That is why government needs to be limited and people need to stand up. If anyone believe this or any government is looking out for it’s citizens’ best interest, they are either foolish, or intellectually lazy.
September 30, 2010 at 9:42 am
I hear a lot of people saying that they don’t agree with the UMC and what they support or don’t support. And as a result they are going to “leave” the denomination that they’ve been a part of for decades. I suppose my question would have to be to them is: Do you agree with everything our government says and does? If not, maybe you need to leave America.
September 30, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Mike and Chuck,
I am sorry if you felt that my comments were racist. I was simply trying to encourage Debra who I felt, from the earlier comments that I had read, had been misrepresented and misunderstood by her fellow countrymen. Perhaps my reaction was a little too abrasive – if so, I apologise.
I have a great deal of respect for your country and its principles. And indeed, several members of my family are American and I have visited and been delighted by your country on more than one occasion.
However, we are all the same the world over – sinners! You in the States no less than us in the UK. And as sinners, we have a tendency to be affected adversely (as well as positively) by our culture and upbringing.
I believe there is a tendency in a segment of your own population to be rather insular in your approach to politics and the economy. Nothing new to us – we in the UK have often been accused by the rest of Europe of being insular! However, our proximity to Europe and Africa have over recent decades ground our insularity down considerably and opened our eyes to the impact we all have on each other.
I have no doubt that the same will happen the world over, and continue further in my own country!
As regards the UK’s imperialist past, I look back on my country’s history with pleasure at the courage and tenacity of my anscestors but also with sadness at their lack of tolerance and inablilty to understand other peoples. They, like me, were sinners too.
I thank God for the grace that covers us all with forgiveness and love.
Regards, Kath
October 1, 2010 at 4:08 pm
I read the information on the General Board’s web site, and now I know how they think.
I do not agree, and I think this is very dangerous. Using God to support a political agenda has never ended well, there many examples in history.
Jesus said to give from the heart, you know because of the good feeling you get. Never has he said that the government needs to tax more to give to the needy. This is some form of ‘social justice’ or marxism.
The United Methodist Church in its Social Principles regards healthcare as a basic human right. WRONG! It is a privilege to be cared for by a person of knowledge that charges a fee for service. We are Capitalists not communists.
October 2, 2010 at 10:48 pm
So Jeff… Debra’s truth is more important than mine?
No… you just find yourself in agreement. therefore, this is now all about you.
The “problem” as I see it, is that the Methodist church isn’t as much about God as it is about it’s own political agenda.
Don’t think so? Then why does it “hide” behind God, to take money from it’s members, to advance a political agenda that a large portion of it’s members would be disgusted about, if those members KNEW about?
You don’t find this to be disturbing?
My commitment is to Christ… not to the Methodist or any other church. I’ve never become a member because I could not get past the promise to support the Methodist church. Promises that don’t have an exporation date. The words SOUND nice, but they shouldn’t be taken lightly.
October 2, 2010 at 11:01 pm
Mark…
Good question. No I don’t, can’t, or won’t believe everything my government says or does, nor should I.
Do you honestly believe that equating leaving a church and leaving one’s country has merit? I also find it irrelevant if one has been in a particular denomination for decades, or for weeks. Once somebody discerns what is right or wrong, does it matter how long they may have been mislead? The degrees of right or wrong don’t change based on how long one has been on the rolls, do they?
I can actively work to change my government, and have a better chance of doing so than I would changing the church.
But I don’t WANT to change the Methodist church. Like I said, if the church stands for what you believe, then you should support it… but just don’t expect me to. I just want the Methodist church to be more forthcoming.
And since we are now in the realm of sarcasm, if you wish to monitarily support my relocation to another nation, I may consider it… but I get to call the terms.
October 5, 2010 at 1:52 pm
Several hundred years after prophets like Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Hosea had denounced the sacrificial slaughter of animals, Jesus carried out what is euphemistically called the Cleansing of the Temple. It was just before Passover and he disrupted the buying and selling of animals that were being purchased for slaughter. Christian scholars and religious leaders continue to ignore biblical denunciations, they also try to obscure the reason for Christ’s assault on the system. It was the cult of sacrifice that Jesus tried to dismantle, not the system of monetary exchange.
“Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.” Just as in the time of Christ the Christian scholars and religious leaders continue to ignore biblical denunciations, this one for thousands of years! Political activities, political lobbying groups, how much tax, are the realm of Caesar.
God does answer prayer.
October 8, 2010 at 9:36 pm
The reading comprehension displayed in the comments is pathetic and only serve to bolster the opening paragraph. Slow down and read what she said before you spray about unrelated rallies.
Then Turn off talk radio, Unplug your TV, delete your bookmarks, stop forwarding unsubstantiated e-mails full of lies and read the Good Book for a week (preferably the gospels, but if “so and so begat so and so” is your speed, whatever) You’ll feel better.
October 11, 2010 at 7:00 am
That’s so… deep.